Ewwwwwwwwwww Old man and weird dead bear thing! XD

This totally reminds me of a "comic" drawing I did http://crazyfreak.deviantart.com/art/Zelink-best-pairing-forever-100197277

The weird dead bear thing is actually a Ground Hog Day hat. You can see this in the first three comics:

http://www.zeldainformer.com/comic/001.php
http://www.zeldainformer.com/comic/002.php
http://www.zeldainformer.com/comic/003.php

It will be more obvious the meaning behind it much later in the series.

this is awesome

Nice pink blanket.

Haha! I get it! It's funny because HOMOSEXUALS are always rapists/sexual predators! HILARIOUS.

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Rapists are typically rapists.

I assumed obvious sarcasm was obvious. I'll translate.

This comic is homophobic.

What?

Lol @ me writing any homophobic.

Pfft. How is it homophobic? It's playing on the fact there's this old guy who hangs around with many small boys in an underground cavern.

In any case, adult males who prey on young boys are most often heterosexual as young boys share more pheromones in common with women than men.

Very, very rarely will you find a gay paedophile.

You would know RZ :mock:

Phil, I never accused you of homophobia. I only pointed out the symptom of a homophobic culture in this comic.

I'm not sure WHY you would think you were immune from making something homophobic, but implying so is like saying women can't be sexist.

And lastly, I wouldn't have pointed it out if I didn't respect this site and its contributors.

@ TotG: O U.

@Cute Bruiser: You're homophobic. You assume this guy's gay because we've portrayed him as a rapist. Nothing implied he is gay (as shown by my previous comment) meaning you took the predator aspect to imply it, thus the inferrence is on your part alone.

Pink sheets are also not a sign of homosexuality, and again for you to assume this means you don't think straight people can have pink sheets-

CEASE AND DESIST YOUR HOMOPHOBIA, SIR!

That or lighten up! :P

If you taje this comic to be homophobic then I must also be saying all large women are stupid, everyone with a goatee is grouchy, postmen are all lazy and dumb. It's a little thing called comedy :P

Haha, no, this comic is homophobic because it is implied that the main character has just been raped by this man.

I'm curious, though, what you would classify this man's behaviour as if not predatory? He first assaults this character by flashing him and then, we assume, has non-consensual sex with him, in other words rape. That's pretty predatory, wouldn't you say?

Oh, it is certainly PREDATORY, what it is not is homophobic- it is not implied that the predator is homosexual and, as mentioned earlier, is likely statistically not to be. YOU have made the assumption he is BECAUSE he is a predator. Thus the homophobic inferrance came from you the reader, not the comic.

What I WILL accept as doing is making the social comment that the majority of rapists are MALE because, face it, they are. I am definitely NOT making the social comment most rapists are gay, nor that most gay people are rapist.

That, dear reader, is just silly- and it tells me a lot of your psyche if that is how you read this. You may as well claim that I think everyone who wears red hoodies have goatees, because there is only one character in this who wears a hoodie and he has a goatee- thus I must be making a comment about all people with hoodies.... No. This is no more the case than this old horny fellow here who hangs around in a cave with small boys.

It's good to know you take your reader's concerns seriously and are not afraid to adress them maturely rather than just using a simian response like "I know what YOU are but what am I?" or that whole rubber and glue line from elementary school.

Oh, wait.

I feel I have acted maturely enough whilst still maintaining comedy in what is a comedic piece! :P

Tell me how you think I should have portrayed an old man who lives with several small, unrelated boys, in a comedic and parody manner.

I say once more- you say that because I have shown one character take advantage of an unconcious person means that I think all characters are like that. It's a bizarre argument and I see not what concerns you could have.

YOU are the one who has made the assumption 'This (possible but unlikely) homosexual is predator, therefore the author is implying all (possible but unlikely) homosexuals are predators.'

Using your logic I also have said that all people with grey hair are predators. Also that all people in yellow dresses are fat.

I have shown ONE (possible but unlikely) homosexual to be a predator. I have not implied any more.

Die Hard showed ONE British person to be an evil villain. Does it imply all Britons are? Certainly not, and if you infer this from the film then it says more about you than it.

Same goes for this comic.

DIE HAAAAAAAAARD!

You're also implying that molestation, harassment and rape are hilarious. Do you want to go there instead? :)

I keep saying this, but you keep missing it. I am not saying you are homophobic. I am saying this is a "joke" that appears all too frequently and you are being cheap by using it. I'm sure you could have found a better way to make a joke without further marginalizing an already marginalized group. It's this kind of media and this kind of attitude in the game community that makes both women and homosexuals feel unwelcome and unwanted.

Would you feel differently about my observations if I told you I was homosexual and this comic made me feel uncomfortable? Or how about if I told you I had been sexually assaulted and I found your lack of sensitivity regarding the subject triggering?

Guys, calm down. This sort of joke has been used and reused in many webcomics and at a lot of game sites in some of their writing.

It's not a big deal. The same logic about thinking that rape is funny can be applied to falling down the stairs. My friend falls down the stairs and breaks his arm. Do I...

A. Laugh
B. Feel greatly concerned for his well being
C. Combination of both

C, hands down. I would first see that he's ok, thent ake him to the hospital, and then laugh at him as he is most likely laughing at himself for how stupid he was to fall down the stairs.

Obviously: Rape isn't a laughing matter in reality. I am not about to make a joke about rape about someone who was actually raped. That is insensitive and downright cruel. What makes the joke "work" is because were not using it in a real life situation. I called a friend of mine a retard earlier today. That is an insult to everyone who is actually a retard, but does that mean I am intending to insult actual retardation?

I am not going to say this comic is right or wrong. I noted in staff when I saw it that I felt we pushed the joke too far, and it could of been left at the "turn around and lather me up" stage. It was already implied, and then having it actually happen, to me, took it too far. I wasn't about to get all pissy over it though.

I do feel your concern Cute Bruiser. You guys are just arguing circles around eachother. Agree to disagree. I promise most the comic series isn't like this. Lets just chill and move on shall we? There has already been a new comic posted since, so if the comic moves on, then so shall we. I am sorry you didn't enjoy this piece, and I'll try to make sure it doesn't go to far like this again.

Rape and falling down the stairs is NOT the same thing. Did someone deliberately push your friend down the stairs? Probably not. As well, falling the stairs doesn't involve a violation of your person and your autonomy. Falling down stairs is something that happens TO you, rape is something that is DONE to you. And because you have posted this comic on the Internet, a public space, you HAVE made a joke about rape to people who have been raped. Why don't you ask a victim of assault how funny THEY find this? Have you ever heard the term "triggering"?

Instead of exercising your privilege as an abled person, why don't you ask someone who is actually living with a mental disability of some sort how THEY feel about that kind of humour? You might be surprised that they don't find it as funny as you do. You might find that they are hesitant to even TALK to you about it at all because you have successfully othered and excluded them by using that kind of language, even if you didn't say it TO them specifically. (But I'm willing to bet you HAVE said it to someone with a mental disability without even realizing it, because that person would probably never TELL you BECAUSE most people treat them this way.)

This is not a question of "right or wrong", this is a question of inclusion and appropriateness. We live in a day and age where 1/4 women is STILL sexually assaulted. Read that again, ONE in FOUR.

I'll say it again, instead of ASSUMING you know how a group of people you have nothing in common with feels, why don't you ask THEM what their feeling is on this matter?

Lastly, given that you acknowledge that you realized this comic could be upsetting to some people and STILL decided it was acceptable to display it shows negligence and insensitivity on your part and laziness on the part of the artists/authors. There is NO reason the comic had to go this way. Honestly. Your character could have woken up and found himself engaged in a tea party with a bunch of stuffed animals and it would have been equally as funny without casting a homosexual as a predator and without using a cheap and hurtful rape gag for laughs.

Thanks for assuming how I lived my life. I grew aroudn the mentally handicapped my entire life. My mom has been a social worker for 18 years, and most of the time the clients were brought to the house. Some of them I would even consider friends, and one of them is like family to us.

Thanks for assuming. I also never said that rape and falling down stairs are the same, I was merely pointing out that because someone makes a joke doesn't mean it's intended to insult a certain person/culture. Being homosexual litterally ahd nothignt o do with this comic - it was rape. were not the first place to do it, nor will be the last, for comedic purposes. I get it, your passionate about this and now think less of me and this site. As I said, I have moved on, can't you?

Nice job trying to supress my voice by moderating my comments. :)

Just because you have been around people who are differently abled your entire life doesn't mean you know anything about how they feel. If you go through your life without acknowledging your priviledge then there's no way you can understand. Considering someone a friend and respecting them are two completely different things.

"The same logic about thinking that rape is funny can be applied to falling down the stairs."

See, that right there is where you compared the two things. You didn't contrast, you compared. That implies that the two are similar. Thinking rape is funny doesn't insult a person. It makes them feel unsafe. And just because you're not the first to do it or the last doesn't mean it's OK. Remember that thing your parents always said? "If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you do it too?" Just because everyone else does something doesn't make it OK.

And no, you do NOT get it. Do you live with a daily fear of being raped or assaulted in some other way? Do you modify your schedule and your habits to do everything you can to keep yourself safe? I'll bet you don't. Not to the extent most women feel they have to ... and yet it STILL doesn't stop us from being assaulted. I would direct your attention here: http://web.archive.org/web/20070716111952/http://pandagon.net/2007/04/13/how-to-not-be-an-asshole-a-guide-for-men/ and here: http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/ if you want to try and understand.

I don't think less of you or the site because of this. What I feel is unwelcome and unsafe because this is yet another place where my autonomy, my feelings and my experience are something that can be compromised for the sake of a cheap laugh even when other alternatives are available.

You want to stop getting raped, tell your girl friends to stop dressing like sluts.

Sorry, had to be said. I am not saying rape is ok and yeah I will beat the fucking shit out of any guy who rapes someone I know, however, when you dress like you want to be fucked right now, it doesn't help.

And we don't moderate our comments. the system automatically detects comments that need auto approval based on content. Since the content has the word rape, and some questionable links, it automatically flagged it.

I know lots of girls, and none of them live in fear of being raped. If you personally live in fear of getting raped, then get the hell away from where you live. See, living is fear is sometimes worse then the thing your afraid of. I face fear. If I got raped, I would be scared shitless, but hte only way I get over it is to stop hiding.

EDIT: I would also suggest you stay away from our forums, where we have a brothel to appreciate teh human form (no nudity, of course).

Don't say "sorry" when you don't mean it.

Covering up does not stop a woman from being assaulted. If it were that simple, no one would ever wear a tube top or a miniskirt again. Rape is not a crime of passion. The ONLY thing victims of rape EVER have in common is the bad luck to be in the vicinity of a rapist.

Just because the girls you talk to don't say it to you, doesn't mean they don't live in fear. The fact that they don't say it to you might even be an indicator that YOU are one of the very men they fear. Given what I know of you from this conversation I wouldn't doubt that that was a possibility. You're too busy trying to tell US how it is, what we should feel, how we should dress and behave to even LISTEN to what anyone has to say. (If that weren't the case you would have actually looked at the links I posted.)

Would it be safe to assume when you say "teh human form" what you mean is "women's bodies"? Women's bodies are usually the only ones considered worthy of art because GOD FORBID anyone be attracted to a male body.

Um, while the brothel is mostly made up of women postings, there are a couple men threads in there because you know, we do have female fans. Oh, and Nick may possibly be Bi :)

Uh trust me, Women don't fear me. I am usually their personal bitch. Get them free shots, take them to movies, babysit their kids. Fuck, if anything is getting raped it's my wallet. I am a sweatheart, and I treat pretty much everyone I know in real life with great respect. Especially women.

All I am saying is that when you hear stories about someone who was actually raped, more then half the time it's some who dresses in a way that is suggestive. Why? Rapists are no different then myself, or any other guy, when it comes to our hormones. Men like attractive women, that includes rapists. You are more likely to attract a rapist by dressing a certain way. Your also more likely to attract assholes then the good guys, but thats a different story more in relating to how it seems many women say they want the nice guy but always date the asshole.

Anyways, the women don't say it because they don't need to keep it in the forefront of their thoughts. Every time I step in my car I am risking serious injury and possibly death. Should I be thinking about that every time I am around a car? Seems silly. There is no reason to live with the fear of being raped unless...

1. you have been raped
2. you know someone who has been raped

Thing is, rape isn't as common as people make it out to be. Often times in college you keep being told "1 in 4" women get raped. It's actually a falicy:

http://www.canadiancrc.com/Newspaper_Articles/IWF_One_In_Four_Rape_Stat_27APR06.aspx

http://aspiringeconomist.com/index.php/2009/09/11/rape-statistics-1-in-4/

Fact of hte matter is, Rape is not that common. There are about less then 200 cases a year that are found to be an actual rape case, and not a "oops I had too much to drink and regret it the next day". It is also found that most rape cases are not in teh teenage and college ranks, but the children 12 and under.

It is also found that the "bigger" cause for concern is the 250,000+ sexual assault cases that occur a year, though notably most of it is minor stuff. Such as some guy grabbing your ass at the bar. Obviously he pushes it further then that the bouncer kicks his ass, but that is sexual assault (that is, if you didn't want that guy to do it). I don't think that case is a jailable personally, but in either sense, actual rape isn't that common. So, if you want to live in fear of it, then that is your right. You have more reason to fear a piss load of other things you do on a daily basis then the fear of rape.

Wow, that's a whole lot of victim blaming going on right there. Do you know how embarassing it is to be raped? Most people don't report being raped so WHY the first site thinks it's at all realistic to assume that the women surveyed would lie is beyond me. People are ashamed of being raped, most never report it, many never even tell anyone it has happened to them. The one in four statistic is not an exaggeration.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2006/11/maybe-one-day.html

I will acknowledge that perhaps using the word "fear" WAS an exaggeration. However, many if not most women DO live with an undercurrent of fear in their lives and the ones who do not certainly live with a wariness of men at the very least. If you would even glance at the links I have posted you might begin to understand better.

Rapists are not merely men with heightened libidos; they are men who seek to possess and control, and sex is the weapon they wield—not the ends, but the means. To think that rapists all rape for one universal reason is to think that murderers all murder for a single reason, and to think that rapists all rape because of sexual attraction is to think that murderers who use guns all murder because they like the smell of gun powder.

And your little story about "minor" sexual assault is exactly how this behaviour starts. It's called a rape culture and we are soaking in it.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2009/10/rape-culture-101.html

rape, and grabbing someone's ass, is two totally different things. They are related int he realm of sexual pleasure, not in the realm of forcing someone to have sex with me.

I also didn't say that rapist are just men with hieghtened libidos - I was merely ackknowledging that those that do go for teenage and college girls do like good looking women.

Here, let me tell you a story:

I was dating this girl for 5 years, and all signs pointed to marriage. We ended up breaking up heading into college mostly because we were going to seperate schools that were far away. We figured if we were meant to be together, we would end up together in the end. Ok, so that part doens't mattter much.

2 years later, I got a call from her after not talking too much. She was back in town, and she got raped the night before by some guy that obsessed with her in HS. You could imagine my shock, and my extreme anger. Me and couple of my friends went over to the guys house and beat the fucking piss out of him. He is so afraid to even look a girl wrong now that he sometimes wont leave his house.

Now, obviously we hold over him that if he so much as "contacts" my ex, he goes to jail. The reason we didn't just turn him in is because it ends up, usually, not solving anything. The rapist either gets away with it, or goes to jailf or a few years only to be released and do it again. That happens with around 75% of rapist who do go to jail.

I take rape very seriously. It's not something I approve of or make excuses for. I love my ex, and I always will till the day I die. Her life is finally back to normal 3 years later, and obviously I don't expect her to ever forget about it, and it has changed her life forever.

They don't all rape for one universal reason. The 1 in 4 statistic was based on a pole of 3,000 women in 1982. How is that still accurate 28 years later?

My point is, there is no reason to live in fear of getting raped more then in fear of losing your own life doing normal daily activities. And, Females are not the only ones who get raped. There are several Male rape cases. However, you think I am going to walk around and worry about it?

It's life. You live once. ENJOY IT. The more you worry about shit the less time you have to actually enjoy yourself. If you get raped it's unfortunate, and the person should be punished. However, if you live in fear of it, or anything else bad that can happen in life, then are you really living?

Were all aware of what can happen. Doesn't mean we have to actively think about it.

I LOVE that this is still going on :D

Hehe. Cutebruiser, if you'd said from the start that your issue was with the portrayal of sexual predatory in a comedic light, then I would have apologised and explained, calmly, that there is such a thing as 'black comedy'- one which makes light of serious subjects- heck, comics prior to this one have had kidnapping and imprisoning of children- sure, those who have been kidnapped wouldn't find this funny, but may laugh at a murder based one, those who'd had loved ones murdered may be vice versa.

As it is, you've found your 'trigger' in this comic, and for that I apologise. But remember, you've laughed at countless things in your time that others would find offensive, I'm sure.

Compare watching Family Guy. There are moments in that which make me truly cringe at the content of some jokes which affect me directly, but I know there is so much in there I find hilarious because it doesn't affect me. As such I can look over that which 'triggers' me in favour of knowing somewhere out there someone's laughing their arse off over it. It makes me feel better 'bout my own experiences.

There will be plenty more dark comedy in this strip. It's its nature. I suggest take those which 'trigger' you and ignore them- brush over them. The next one you may find funny despite it triggering someone else!

Such is the realm of comedy- nothing can suit everyone. Heck, I saw Reginald D Hunter joking about Fritzl on TV yesterday!!!

As it was you began claiming homophobia- that's when people seemed to stop taking you seriously. If your problem was rape, then you should have said that. But no- you claimed it was that it was showing homosexuals to be rapists that was the problem which, from your recent posts, you can clearly see is not the case.

So have fun with the rest of the comics. The next few are completely PG. The next really dark one isn't for a while... and then it's just good old fashioned murder... but heck, it's only a Goron! :P